Week 5- c. manitowabi

Holden is always rebelling against society and more importantly he is always rebelling against conformity. Holden just seems to have a problem and holden thinks that people who follow the rules of society are fake or in his words phony. He thinks that if you conform you have no real thoughts or feelings. Holden sees all these people and for some reason he just gets sick and it must have something to do with his mental instability. I feel like his rebellious ways are just making him more depressed. He seems to be a pessimist and only looks at the negative things about other people and life in general. He feels like he can’t relate to other people because he is against everything that a majority of people are following. His rebel ways of thinking also make him antisocial. For example, the way he talks to Sally and how he tells her his plan, which kind of freaks her out. He gets mad and tells her to that he doesn’t want to see her ever again. A normal person would never say that or consider a plan that Holden proposes. He brings it all upon himself and his way of thinking just makes it worse.

Holden the Non-conformist (Week 5)

Holden seems to have a bit of a problem with society in his day. He constantly feels the need or urge to stick out from everyone else in some sort of an attempt to stick out from society in order to gain attention. This may prove that he is a bit insecure in the fact that he needs to feel like people are paying attention to him. Once he get this attention though, he doesn't quite know what to do with it. He fails out of most of his classes at three schools now, and just figures he'll go back home and he will continue on to a different school that his parents send him to. He gets attention from his parents that he doesn't spend much time with by flunking out of the schools. The red hunting hat he wears and thinks is "cool", it really is just something he wears to not conform to society and to stand out from the rest of everyone. It just throws everyone off a bit when Holden acts out, only for a short time though. Then people start to catch on that he isn't exactly "right" and is just looking to gather attention.

just a little effort

I think Holden is rebelling against trying in general, or in other words he is being lazy.  Holden never tries to do well in school and because of that he is always being kicked out of schools.  I believe Pencey School is his third that he is gotten kicked out of and the reason was because he wasn’t doing well academically.    Holden’s whole family is super smart and so I believe he has the potential to be smart too, he just isn’t willing to put in the effort that it takes.  Whenever it comes to girls, Holden never wants to do anything, and he says he is never in the mood and that you have to be in the right mood.  Every time he has the chance to talk with a girl or have sex, he always makes up some excuse not to do it and is able to wiggle himself out of it.  Again, he never wants to do anything because he is too lazy.  Whenever, it comes to fights, Holden never really wants to get into them, which is why he calls himself “yellow” because he able to stand up for himself, but if there was a fight, he never wants to start it because he knows he’ll lose and plus he is too lazy to do anything.   This affects him because he is a loner all the time because he isn’t willing to make friends either and friends help you to get through the tuff times.

Week 5 post

I believe the most important point in the "Catcher In The Rye is Holden" is Holden rebellious attitude agents society. For example he doesn't go any sport games . Also he doesn't try to make or meet new friends. Another thing that we see Holden a lot lie. Like when he lie to the mother about his school and class on the train ride to New York. Also he is super cynical of other people and calls them phonies. He try's to make him self more important then he actually is . The thing that Holden can't seem to do is be himself. I think this because he didn't have a good childhood along with trying to live up to his siblings. Which makes him cynical of other people so that he can feel better about him self. In turn push people away causin him to have no friends. The place where we see holden the most looniest is when he is in New York because he cant call any one to help him when he arrives in New York. In the end we see holder struggle to fit in society because of his child and his lack of friends.

Ethan Week5

Beats in the building! In my opinion holden hasnt lost his innocence because its kinda hard to lose what you never had. Hes never been an innocent kid i dont believe. thats like saying i lost my scholarship but i never had one in the first place. Holden lives his life with no rules which is rebellious against authority. although if my parents shipped my off to bording schools even if i didnt like them and i kept on gettting kicked out of them i would be rebelling also. when he decides to leave school and go to new york to see his parents he obvisouly does want some authority in his life. if my mom kept shipping me off to bording school i dont think i would go back to see her yeah i would miss her but i think i would be way too upset with her. although some argue that shes looking out for him and giving him the best education but that doesnt matter if he doesnt absorb the information the school is trying to teahc him.

Loss of Innocence

Holden definitely has a loss of inocence in this book. He is growing up and going into his late teens. He is right in the middle of his rebelious stage and it shows. He is obsessed with sex and drinking. He goes around asking strangers to drink with him and wanting to have sex withH random prostitutes. Another way inocence plays a role in this book shows in Holdens personality. He shows more of a fondness for older people, and also younger people. I think everyone can agree that younger people are definitely more inocent as well as older people. His younger sister still retains her inocence which Holden definitely likes which would explain why he talks about her so much and makes it seem like he loves her more than her siblings. He also is more fond of older women and that shows when he goes out one of the nights and is flirting with the older ladys. When women grow up and go into their middle ages they also become more innocent than they are when they are in their teens like holden. I think that the author really shows this when Holden talks about his sister and his experiences when he goes out. As you grow up and start recognizing reality and becoming more curious about things one hasnt experienced yet, you start to lose your innocence. I think Holden is really bothered by this fact even though he has experienced a severe form of it.

Loss of Innocence v. Growing Up

To me the loss of innocence is when you start to really learn about life, and when it becomes a reality. As a child everyone views the world as a small place where nothing bad can happen, apart from maybe the monsters underneath your bed. As you start to grow older you realize that their are much worse things that can happen, and as soon as you realize your childhood fears were silly is the moment I think you lose your sense of innocence. In this novel I definitely think that Holden's older brother has lost all of his innocence, which is why Holden partly resents his brother. Since Holden is in the middle of losing his I believe that he wants to hold onto it for as long as possible. Which means resenting those who have lost it and praising those who still have a full grip on their innocence; like his sister Phoebe. I feel like Holden believes that the longer he holds onto the thought of his sisters' innocence the longer his will stay. Holden associates growing up with the loss of innocence which I also find to be a true statement. But the problem with Holden is that he is not ready to grow up, although he acts like he is. He pretends to be older because he feels like he has to, because he never had parents around to tell him it was okay to act like a child. This is why I think Holden has such trouble with the loss of innocence.